I can’t imagine a single reason

"Kiltedpadre" (kiltedpadre) 08/12/2020 at 09:27 • Filed to: None

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But, I’m seriously considering ordering this. I want to get a leather holster and wear it when I walk around my in-laws farm with this in it.

Kiltedpadre > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:35

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https://www.rkguns.com/heritage-rough-rider-22-lr-single-action-revolver-rr22b16goldusa-us-flag-grips-6rd-16.html?trk_msg=4P244HHN6RD475777NFBTQR564&trk_contact=21GN72VG7SL9M10ALPG755CNP4&trk_sid=7B7KASJ8AARG6HVMCA7BF04R1G&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=31300444&utm_campaign=August+2020&utm_content=2020-08-12+Heritage+RR

SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:37

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Meme  Guns are great. I want a version of this with a barrel so long that a ny velocity gained by the long bar rel is also lost due to the added friction.

PartyPooper2012 > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:38

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Need a reason?

better to have and not need, than to need and not have! Does that work for your justification?

I mean, technically, it can be said just about anything... pet rock, SpaceX rocket or official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle , with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time  

kanadanmajava1 > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:39

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This guy had even lon ger one in his pants.

facw > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:42

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Think we could have compromise gun control legislation where you can have as many guns as you want, but they have to all be this one? I think it would greatly reduce crime...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:43

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Counterargument:

https://www.uberti-usa.com/1873-revolver-carbine-and-buntline

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:43

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It’s so that you can put a shoulder stock on it. So for hunting purposes it’s still eligible for pistol season, yet you can get much more accuracy by having the shoulder stock.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download#:~:text=Generally%2C%20the%20kits%20include%20a,inches%20or%20more%20in%20length.

atfsgeoff > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:45

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Hard to hard to go wrong for such a low price. They are really neat plinking guns

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/12/2020 at 09:52

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Can I attach a stock to a non-stars &  bars grip?

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 09:54

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I'll have mine chambered in 454 Casull tyvm.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/12/2020 at 09:54

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Yeah, grips are easy to swap 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > facw 08/12/2020 at 09:54

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Canada kinda did that. We have all magazines limited to 5 rounds.....except .22LR last time I checked. Nothing like a Ruger 10/22  hip firing mag dump at some cans 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/12/2020 at 09:55

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I would prefer the .22, as close to bullets being free as you can get, and you can fan the hammer like the duke! 

Kiltedpadre > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/12/2020 at 10:06

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I knew 16” was the minimum rifle barrel length, and would love to see one offered as an accessory item. I’m sure the company won’t do it for fear that someone would add it to the shorter barrel option.

I wonder if you could run afoul of the ATF if you had a stock for this and also had one with a six inch barrel since it would fit that as well.

I actually used to have a Crossman pellet pistol where you could add a stock to it.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/12/2020 at 10:06

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*shifty eyes* I wouldn’t know anything about fanning the hammer on a .45 Uberti. Not me.

Kiltedpadre > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/12/2020 at 10:10

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I’d love to have a revolving carbine in .45 colt but this part makes a huge difference.

Kiltedpadre > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 08/12/2020 at 10:13

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Hmm lightweight frame and .454 casull: RIP your wrists.

I’ve fired a Ruger Alaskan in that chambering and it was unpleasant. It was pretty fun to shoot once we switched to .45 colt though.

LongbowMkII > kanadanmajava1 08/12/2020 at 10:22

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TWSS

Kiltedpadre > SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza 08/12/2020 at 10:24

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Would you like the barrel threaded so you can have the extra uselessness of a suppressor on a revolver?

Kiltedpadre > atfsgeoff 08/12/2020 at 10:26

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I still hate myself for not buying a cheap 9-round model that had both the .22lr and .22wmr cylinder. A local gun shop was closing, and I could’ve bought it for $140.

Kiltedpadre > PartyPooper2012 08/12/2020 at 10:27

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I mean I could probably use the holster for my more normally proportioned Ruger Single Six too. That’s versatility right there!

Future next gen S2000 owner > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:27

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Honest question, what is the point of that? I don’t get it. Seems like a caricature of a toy or something. Does it have a specific use or it is a I can do what I what for reasons kind of thing?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:31

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SBR rules mean that even if a 16" barrel is okay to be a “rifle” after you put a stock on, it needs to exceed a certain overall length with the stock taken back off to not instantly become illegal. Or at least, that’s how I read it . If memory serves, based on measurement of my Uberti, it would need something like 4 " more vs. 16" to stay “rifle safe” with the stock off. Derp.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:32

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C an you put a front grip and an optic on it?

Perfect squirrel gun.

Boom

Reason

Kiltedpadre > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/12/2020 at 10:34

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A big part is probably that it would be a replica of the “Buntline Special” Colt revolver which was carried by Wyatt Earp and “Bat” Masterson.

Also, as someone else mentioned with a 16” barrel you can legally add a shoulder stock. In my state there are certain hunting seasons where you can use a rim fire pistol and some that require the use of a rifle. With this and a shoulder stock you could use one gun for both.

I’m sure the first will be the main reason for sales simply because I can’t see someone buying this as their first/only rim fire.

McMike > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/12/2020 at 10:39

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It solves several problems.

SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:41

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T ha t goes without saying. I want to get my  subsonic .22 rounds jammed about 1" from the end of the muzzle

Kiltedpadre > SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza 08/12/2020 at 10:48

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I’d like them to actually exit the barrel, but I’d like them to do it at such a reduced velocity that I can actually watch them fall to the ground about 20ft in front of me.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:55

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.22 long barrel revolver?  Seems like a fun gun

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 10:59

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Years ago I had a Dan Wesson .44 with an 8" heavy vented barrel and thought that was the realistic usable limit . This .22 looks like the gun the Joker had in the first Batman movie.

Kiltedpadre > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/12/2020 at 10:59

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Unfortunately it falls into one of those areas where my legalese isn’t good enough for a definitive answer. There was a change in the wording of the NFA rules due to Thompson Center selling the contender in kits that could be assembled as either a rifle or a pistol.

They added a distinction that reads as “assembled from a rifle” being one of the defining characteristics. It also included another criteria where the shape of the grip needed to be considered.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 11:04

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J u st needs some porting. ;)

Tripper > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 11:22

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Revolvers like that always remind me of the cannon the tow truck driver pulls out in the first Men in Black.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 11:52

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This is actually something I’ve been desperate to know. Thanks. In other words, there is an official special pleading in place that as long as the device was originally constructed as a pistol, as long as rifle parts convert it to a legal rifle and it was a legal pistol to start with, it can go back; what the NFA otherwise implies notwithstanding. It is only illegal if there is also a barrel present that would permit for construction of an SBR.

Up until now I’d had to be working off the wording of the original NFA, which is... dumb wording.

In other words - per clarification, putting a rifle grip on a 12" buntline is not allowed, but putting it on a 18" target buntline and taking it back off at will *is*.

This means I can buy the Uberti 18" barrel and make a Colonel Mortimer stock for it, which is something I’ve been wanting to do, without worrying about making the barrel 20" with a permanent flash hider or w/e because it doesn’t have to “stay a legal rifle after I make it a legal rifle”. Heh.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 12:48

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Long iron on his hip

benn454 > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/12/2020 at 12:55

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Don’t you mean stars and stripes? The Stars & Bars is the Confederate flag:

Kiltedpadre > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 08/12/2020 at 13:00

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I’ve fired a .44 with a 9” barrel and thought that was comically sized. This would be ludicrous the first time.

I’m curious if anyone even makes a case to transport it, or if you’d just have to use one of the cases designed for a youth sized rifle.

Kiltedpadre > Tripper 08/12/2020 at 13:00

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Now that you say that I can definitely see it.

Kiltedpadre > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/12/2020 at 13:02

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If you miss you can just poke them in the side to knock em out of the tree.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 13:33

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Shoulder sling?

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Kiltedpadre 08/12/2020 at 14:20

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Just get a shotgun and some sleeves, you can shoot whatever you want. 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > benn454 08/12/2020 at 16:57

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Well now I feel dumb, although I swear I’ve heard the normal flag called stars and bars, but who’s to say that person wasn’t wrong too. 

benn454 > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/13/2020 at 09:24

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 Don't feel bad. I grew up assuming Robert E. Lee's battle flag (you know, THAT flag) was the Stars & Bars. It wasn't until I got into Civil War history that I realized the Confederates had more than one flag. Sooo many Southern state flags make a lot more sense now.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/13/2020 at 10:52

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No you can’t* .

* Adding a front grip makes it an AOW according to the National Firearms Act.  You can do it, but you’d have to apply for a $5 AOW Tax Stamp first, and wait a year for the painfully slow NFA approval process.  Once approved, then you can add the grip. Then you need to get it NFA engraved and are subject to all the NFA regulations (restrictions on inter-state transport, etc.)

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Kiltedpadre 08/13/2020 at 11:01

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Be careful with this. As far as I understand it, the ATF’s official position is that if you add a stock and turn it into a rifle you can “ never” turn it back into a pistol . Unless it’s a Thompson Center Contender/Encore, because they won a legal case saying it’s okay as long as in the con version process you never put it into an SBR configuration. But apparently the ATF continues to issue opinion letters counter to the results of said case.

Also, someone above mentioned adding a front grip and scope, but a front grip makes it an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and requires an NFA $5 Tax Stamp before you construct it.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza 08/13/2020 at 11:04

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http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html

Looks like the magic number is around 20" where velocity starts to drop off.  But to get them to almost stop, oof, I’d guess 6', maybe more?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/13/2020 at 11:07

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Interesting. I’ve always understood it as “You can convert a pistol into a rifle but once in that configuration it can *never* be turned back into a pistol”. I’ve always wondered how guns like the TC Contender got around that. Your explanation makes a lot more sense.

Kiltedpadre > Snuze: Needs another Swede 08/13/2020 at 11:22

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At this point it will be nothing but a thought experiment because it sold out before I even got home from work.

I doubt it will come back; at least at that price either. If they were to do it where you got both a .22lr and .22wmr cylinder for $210 or less I’d jump on it though. In .22wmr it’d  make a fun way to take care of some groundhogs.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Snuze: Needs another Swede 08/13/2020 at 11:36

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That’s the way the original NFA reads, which is a giant pile of stupid, but the ATF memo that Kilt edPadre linked appears to be a formal statement otherwise that “no, we admit that read is the natural one , but that’s just loony - just don’t make the “rifle” step as SBRs mkay”.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > benn454 08/13/2020 at 11:49

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Yeah ever since I learned about that the whole ‘not confederate heritage means I need to fly this flag’ argument got a lot more frustrating for me....like it’s probably not even your grand-pappy’s flag.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/13/2020 at 12:21

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The ATF making sense.... Hmmm

But really, thank you, that makes a lot more sense to me.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Kiltedpadre 08/13/2020 at 12:25

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Ahh, that sucks that it sold out!

I know a lot of people constantly buying/selling stuff and some dealers so I’ll keep my eyes peeled.  Agreed that a Heritage with both cylinders would be very useful.  For killing groundhogs, I know a guy selling a Savage 93 in 17 HMR.  Don’t know if that does anything for you.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Kiltedpadre 08/13/2020 at 19:57

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Let’s put things in the proper scale:

Forget squirrel gun and give me some bear repellent.

Kiltedpadre > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/13/2020 at 21:01

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I’ve shot a Ruger Alaskan in .454 casull. It wasn’t bad but I certainly wouldn’t call it pleasant.  It was quite nice to shoot once we switched to .45 colt though.

I have a Taurus Poly Defender for my .45 revolver wishes though. Plus, thankfully there hasn’t been a need for a bear pistol in my area since probably the early 1800s.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Kiltedpadre 08/14/2020 at 00:27

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.454 Casull is what's pictured; maybe you realized that. It's my cousin's pistol and me holding it. Last time I was there he'd hand loaded some rounds at maximum pressure, or there about. Rowdy. He had some other loads that were something like 75% of max and more manageable. I love shooting that revolver but I can't hit anything with it that's smaller than a bear.

Kiltedpadre > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 00:34

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I recognized the gun, but I couldn’t tell for sure what the rounds you were holding were.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Kiltedpadre 08/14/2020 at 10:27

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Rowdy-ass revolver, that one is. Even if you missed the bear, you'd certainly get his attention.

benn454 > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/14/2020 at 10:44

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Right? I’m like, are you from Northern Virginia AND  one of your ancestors fought in Lee’s army? No? Then stop appropriating shit that doesn’t belong to you and ruining everything for everybody!

Kiltedpadre > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 12:17

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I’d like to shoot a Magnum Research BFR once. A revolver in .45-70.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Kiltedpadre 08/14/2020 at 15:55

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That is ridiculous. My cousin has some kind of a breach loading handgun in Smith & Wesson 500. Just really not any fun to shoot.

Kiltedpadre > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/14/2020 at 19:03

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I could see the long barrel version for someone that wants to moose or elk hunt with a revolver. The short barrel 45-70 I guess is to compete with the Alaskan without the versatility of accepting a smaller less expensive cartridge.